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 Post subject: John Underhill's talk
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:09 am 
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I watched it online - very very interesting!

I've changed my mind about my earlier idea that the island now known as Ithaki was once Aegilips. I think Robert Bittlestone is correct and Aegilips was a district of Ithaca, as was Krokyleia. I'm still inclined to believe that the northern peninsula of Cephalonia was Doulichion - whether or not the sea cut through at its base, because that sheer rock wall cuts the region off almost as well as if it were a sea-girt island. In which case, the island now called Ithaki could be the unknown Echinades. And that would make sense with the regions controlled by Odysseus and by Meges. Odysseus had a sister called Ctimene, who was married off to a nobleman of Same.


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 Post subject: The Echinades
PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:22 am 
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There's nothing unknown about the Echinades: here they are and see O.U.p.264 for the location map. There is a useful discussion about them at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinades which indicates that there are 17 named Echinades today but there were many more historically before alluvial deposits from the Achelous river connected them with the mainland, as described at O.U.p.265.

The article also states that some of these islands were still claimed by today's island of Ithaki in recent years, and another entry states that Makri (at the centre of the photograph) is today administered by the municipality of Ithaca.

The fact that Meges leads "Men from Doulichion and the sacred isles of Echinai" at Il. 2.625 may therefore explain why they provided 40 ships against Ithaca's 12, since almost every resident of such small islands would need to be a sailor.

It may also explain why 52 suitors against Ithaca's 12 are identified with Doulichion at Od. 16.245. Suitors from the Echinades are not listed elsewhere so this total must include them and each island would probably have provided at least one suitor.

Furthermore since several of these islands have now become joined to the mainland, part of today's rich agricultural coastal land then formed islands governed by Doulichion, supporting the poet's "rich in wheat" description (see list of clues on p.270).

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 Post subject: Corrected, with the gallop dropping to an amble...
PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:23 pm 
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Hmm, I wonder where I got that idea of "unknown Echinades" that's been running through my head as if it were a quotation.

I shall reread O.U., much more slowly this time, and this time with an atlas at hand.


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